Timothy Zercher 0:00

Well, Jennifer, thank you so much for coming on. We really appreciate it.

Jennifer E. Couldry 0:02

Thank you. I'm very happy to be here.

Timothy Zercher 0:04

Absolutely. Your career spans professional musician, technology leadership, mental health. What led you to bring all of those different worlds together into soul ecotherapy?

Jennifer E. Couldry 0:16

Oh, yeah. It's kind of funny. I think it was the perfect storm of opportunity and then just passion, of course. I feel like I found my Ikigai, you know, it's a Japanese term for what you love, what the world needs, and what you could also get paid for. So it's this beautiful, lovely diagram of a good place to be. And my passion for mental health has been lifelong as well. And it was a way for me to be able to work in the field to use my technology background to help organize and support the need of everybody, really. With mental health, if you think about it, people are the ultimate project. We are always trying to find a way through this world and everything that we end up having to go through. As you mentioned, my music background, I have a doctorate in music, and I sing operas. That's my love for just music and what it really means to be human. That's pretty much how I got into the whole field. I'm based out of Phoenix, Arizona. I work in partnership with Doc Hypnosis, and I really love being here and helping people.

Timothy Zercher 1:15

That's incredible. So you often talk about the connection between sound and the nervous system and healing. What do most people misunderstand about the role that sound can play in mental healing, especially?

Jennifer E. Couldry 1:27

Oh, definitely. I think a lot of people tend to not understand how much it can reach you and how quickly, and that you can access this field of music, of sound, of resonance and vibration. You can connect to it very quickly without having to necessarily go through a huge conversation. I have a lot of clients that come to see me that have been or are suffering from traumatic experiences and being able to come into an environment where it's very calm and peaceful and relaxing, that is the first step to be able to work through things that are very difficult to talk about.

Timothy Zercher 2:07

Yes. So as AI and technology become more present, especially in mental health, how do you see the balance between innovation and that human connection that people need for healing?

Jennifer E. Couldry 2:19

Definitely. I think AI is groundbreaking in the availability for everyone to be able to get to it. It's very easy, it's very quick, you can get to it on your phone. I do think that there is some need for caution. And I would advocate for better regulation in regard to AI in mental health because AI was never created for mental health specifically. It was created for engagement. It's created for to keep you online, to keep talking to you, to keep you invested. There's also the whole realm of companion AI. And there's a lot there to unpack. We probably don't have enough time to talk about all of that, but that is something I think that parents in particular should pay attention to, especially for younger folks like our teenagers, because it's very hard to differentiate between a person on the other end of it and AI on the other end of it. And you can get emotionally invested in these relationships that aren't real. They're ones and zeros. Also, I think we need to be a little bit cautious about what we share with AI, about our medical records, about our mental health diagnoses, things like that. It's not HIPAA compliant. It's out there in the ether. So you might want to think twice, maybe a little bit about what you share with it. Now, with that said, I think it can be incredibly helpful for understanding certain psychological terms or the way that emotion works, how to process an emotion, how to regulate an emotion. Those things are very valuable. And AI, I think, does a really good job of giving that foundational information as well as what's a red flag in a relationship? Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that end up in toxic relationships and it's a very real concern. So being able to ask, it's very neutral. It doesn't have a vested interest, which is good in some cases, not good in others, right? But it is sometimes nice to be able to ask it those things, like, is this what I think it is? Or why would my partner behave a certain way when I asked them this thing? I thought it was this. They came back with this. What's your takeaway? And AI can do a pretty good job of looking at that and going, oh, they may have been coming at it from this aspect. I find that fascinating. But again, I would encourage people to just look a little bit deeper. AI can't hold space for you. It can't show empathy and it can't see things maybe that are beneath the surface. Like when you have a client come in that's talking about something and they're like, oh, yeah, that's not the problem. But then you look at them and you're like, okay, based on your face, based on your body language, based on the fact that's the first thing you brought up and you just met me, that might be the problem. Maybe we should look at that a little bit. Maybe we should talk about that.

Timothy Zercher 4:54

Makes a lot of sense. I think the younger audiences that engage with AI are particularly at risk because they're learning how relationships work. And an AI relationship, those AI companions you mentioned, for instance, are not people. And therefore, that's not a good model for you to learn how relationships work because it's not real.

Jennifer E. Couldry 5:12

Yeah, that's a romance novel come to light, which might be fun for entertainment. But yeah, I think about it and I think when I was 13, if I had this AI romance novel come to life when he was telling me all these great things, it would be very hard to differentiate between reality and the fantasy of it.

Timothy Zercher 5:31

Absolutely. It's very complicated stuff. Would you explain further the impact of sound therapy and how it actually works for some of our listeners that might not be familiar? I know some of my earlier questions were just very direct about the misconceptions, but tell us a little bit about like how it really works, if you don't mind.

Jennifer E. Couldry 5:47

Yes. Sound speaks directly to the body. We are constantly vibrating anyway, as just beings. Every single cell in your body has a frequency, every organ has a frequency, and you're constantly creating a resonance. There's a reason that we love driving around with bass thumping really hard, because it moves through your body, it pulls you in a direction. Sound is the first sense that we develop hearing in the wound. That's the first thing we develop is hearing. So music, resonance, frequency, all of that is just fundamental to who we are. If you think about little kids, they're constantly making up songs. It's just part of who they are, and it's in our DNA. We're dancing, we're making up songs, and all of that is instrumental into your growth and your development as a person. But in regard to mental health, we are inundated with so much stimulus from our phones, from Slack messages, from emails, from IMs. It's just constant. We don't really have a chance to slow down. And our nervous system can get stuck in that kind of heightened state. And after a while, it's very hard to remember what it feels like to kind of dial it down a little bit. And clinical sound therapy in particular can create that space, that feeling of just calm where you can breathe again. I have my clients often tell me I feel like a weight was lifted off my chest. And I joke with my clients, I wish I could take before and after pictures of you because people come in and they're kind of, yeah. And then they leave and they're like, oh, tell it, your shoulders are lower. You can see the very physical change. And then with my practice, I also combine clinical sound therapy and hypnotherapy together so we can work with the subconscious to get the change that you're looking for. So it's not a replacement for cognitive behavioral therapy, but it definitely is a way for you to get a shift much quicker and less time spent on the past and where you were. It's where are you now? Where do you want to go? Let's get you there. Let's help you move, let's help you change and shift. And our nervous system loves predictability. So I tell my clients there's three things. There's noticing the behavior that you're stuck in and maybe you want to change. There's noticing when it's happening. So you can go, oh, it's happening right now. And then the third thing is here are other options. So cultivate those other options so that you can change your pattern. You can change the loop and make it different. We have clients that come to us for smoking cessation, for example. It's not just about the smoking. What is it giving you? What do you need? And then you can give yourself other options and you can stop smoking.

Timothy Zercher 8:26

I love that. Thank you. I appreciate it. So I think last kind of question on our end, because we're a marketing agency that specializes in mental health care, we have to ask a couple of marketing questions. And so the first one is because you have such a unique service, how do you gain your clients right now?

Jennifer E. Couldry 8:42

We do a lot. I have a website, I do a lot of social media, I do blogs and all of that. I have LinkedIn, I've got TikTok, I've got Instagram, like anything I can be on, I'm on to be able to generate leads and interest. Also, guerrilla marketing, my car is rap. So I have a big singing ball on the hood of my car and it's really cool looking. And then it says soul ecotherapy. And so I'm a driving bill of board as well. Anywhere, anytime I can talk to anybody about what I do. And my partner, he does hypnotherapy and he runs doc hypnosis. We're partners together. It's his company, and soul ecotherapy has moved under that umbrella too. Then we can offer more services to our clients, but he'll wear shirts that say, Ask me to hypnotize you. This starts a conversation. That's part of what we do.

Timothy Zercher 9:26

I love it when clinicians use more gorilla-type marketing. I think fun, interesting things is what people actually engage with. It just needs to be fun and interesting.

Jennifer E. Couldry 9:34

We also do a live radio show every Saturday at 11 a.m. on KFNX. We take those two and make them into a podcast. That's another thing that we do. It's called Hypno Life.

Timothy Zercher 9:46

Very nice. So I guess the next question then is what is one marketing strategy or tactic that you all are considering or just watching very closely in the marketplace?

Jennifer E. Couldry 9:57

Oh, we just recently implemented an AI chatbot to help so that if people come to the website and have questions after hours, they can talk to Luma. And then also if they want to book a consultation, they can book with her directly, which is really cool.

Timothy Zercher 10:11

Very cool. How is it working so far? If you don't mind sharing with the whole universe, it doesn't bother me at all.

Jennifer E. Couldry 10:16

I think that we're getting more traction. She's still relatively new on the site. And then the more people I think realize that she's there, I think the more traction she'll get. But I like her. We also went the extra little mile to make some of her responses a little more tailored. So she's a little more than just a bot going, hi, I'm a bot. And she's connected to Claude, I think. So that's also nice.

Timothy Zercher 10:38

Very cool. Thank you so much for joining us, Jennifer. I appreciate you sharing some of your insights and and doing some of the great work that you're doing for your patients.

Jennifer E. Couldry 10:44

Oh, great. It was my pleasure. I'm so glad to join you today.